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You Don't Mess With Dad

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By Won Kim

I'm a person of great restraint when it comes to confrontation. It's a mixture of my conservative upbringing, my subconscious evasion of altercation and the impending fear of getting punched in the mouth. I mean, seriously, who wants to get a mouthful of knuckles over a stupid parking space.

However, there is probably only one thing in my life that if pressed, I would gladly welcome fisticuffs. I'm attempting to sound slightly sarcastic, but don't mistakenly translate my sarcasm for inauthenticity. No doubt about it, if someone messes with my family, specifically my two sons, I will go Kimbo Slice on them.

I don't know what it is, but I think it's an inherent quality in most dads. It's part primal-we're just trying to protect the existing proof of our ancestry-but it's mostly to do with love. We are not only protecting that which is dearest to us, but having been hurt ourselves, we're trying to make their lives a little easier. After all, isn't that what love is, to take care of one another, even at your expense.

I had a recent incident where I was not the best example of a model citizen. It happened at a Best Buy's in Manhattan. My family and I were on a search to find a good GPS device for our car. My wife meandered to another section of the store (that's what wives do), and I was alone to juggle the fine skill of testing all the GPS devices while keeping an eye on our 3-year-old son. My son had skipped his usual afternoon nap, so he was more wired than usual, but nothing that would communicate unruliness. As I was checking out a Garmin (which is the brand I ended up buying-but we can discuss GPS devices on another post), in the corner of my eye I caught my son trying to tag people on their leg. At one point, he walked up to a lady walking away from him and did a half-hug, half-push to the bottom of her legs.

Granted, my son's bigger than the normal 3-year-old, but I was under the impression his action was innocuous, if not adorable in a toddler kind of way. However, no one warned me that the wicked witch of the Upper East Side would be shopping at Best Buy. As soon as she felt the tug on her black trench coat, she whipped around and glared at my son. My son was not aware of the tension that suddenly entered the room, and continued to playfully spin around on his heels. That's when I heard the lady snap, "You rude little boy! I can't believe how rude you are. You are a very, very rude boy!"

By this time her eyes finally met mine and now she aimed her vitriolic rant toward me. "How can you raise such a rude little boy? I have a 3-year-old at home and he would never do such a thing. What if I was some crazy stranger and decided to hurt your kid back? Someone needs to teach you and your kid a lesson. He is a rude little boy. Why, I never ..."

By this time, the tension was so thick you would have a hard time cutting it with a chainsaw. My wife ran back having noticed the commotion, and although unaware of the whole situation, she did catch the tail end of the lady's rant. This of course activated her motherly fury, "Who do you think you are talking to my son like that? Get out of here!"

The lady kept on muttering something under her breath and scurried off. I was dumbstruck. What just happened? I asked myself. I looked down at my son. All joy had disappeared from his face, and in place, was a look of petrified fear. Before I could pick him up in my arms and tell him that everything would be okay, and that not all people like to play his games, the lady reappeared. I guess she didn't get the last word in.

"What is wrong with you people? How can you bring your little boy out and let him push me? I wish I was that crazy person and shoved him back, and then he would learn his lesson. You need to control your rude boy."

The first encounter with this lady I could forgive and walk away from, and simply dismiss it as a lady going through mid-life crisis while fraught by a marriage to a workaholic investment banker. However, the second time was just too much. The lady left in a huff, most likely gloating that she got the last word.

Not surprisingly, my son was a puddle of tears by now, completely baffled at why an old lady would speak at him with such venomous sentiments. I held him close and told him everything would be okay and that daddy was here to protect him. Simultaneously, I was half-hoping every mother and father in the store would barricade the doors and give the lady a much-needed timeout. While I was comforting my son, random strangers came up to my wife and I and told us that they saw the whole thing and couldn't wonder why someone would berate a kid for being a normal 3-year-old. Most memorable was a gay couple who told my son how strong and brave he was to withstand the "dragon lady." My son responded by flexing his arm muscles and sheepishly stating, "She mean. I'm strong."

I breathed slowly for the next couple minutes in an attempt to let my need for vengeance simmer. Unfortunately, retribution has a very strong pull. I noticed the dragon lady about 40 yards away standing at the cash register with her husband. Without even thinking, I made a beeline toward cash register no. 4.

The lady wouldn't make eye contact, but she knew I was standing right next to her husband. In any case, I made my presence clearly felt by directing my attention to her husband.

"So, do you know this woman?" I asked.

"Yes, she's my wife," he responded.

"Well, that's unfortunate. Do you have any idea what your wife just said to my son?"

The man quickly shot me a look, but it wasn't a look of anger or annoyance, no, his eyes were filled with a plea to simply empathize with what I already guessed-this lady always picks a fight. Regrettably for him, this was a fight I was gladly walking into.

So, I turned my attention back to the lady and started asking her if this is part of her usual Sunday afternoon activities-to frighten 3-year-old boys and to reprimand them without reprieve. She continued to look straight ahead, but I knew time was on my side as the girl working the cash register was obviously more engaged with the drama unfolding in her line than actually printing out a receipt. I continued.

I kept on asking the lady if she really had a 3-year-old, and if she did, were they a special kind of 3-year-olds that never run, smile or play tag. I also demanded an apology from her to my son for threatening to cause harm. Lucky for her, the register spat out her purchase receipt. She quickly grabbed it.

By this time, it seemed as if the whole floor had gone silent. However, I felt a shot of adrenaline go through my body, as if I was a prosecutor ready to articulate my closing argument. If anything, I told myself, I'm doing this for my son and all the dads in the world. It's funny how when you mix love and anger, you suddenly feel like the vindicator of the world.

The couple walked quickly toward the escalator. I ran ahead and met them at the mouth of their escape route.

"I'm not leaving you guys alone until you apologize. I will follow you home. You will not get rid of me until you say sorry."

For the first time I saw the lips of the dragon lady quiver with nervousness. Half-expecting her to spew out some more bitter words, I was surprised to hear her mumble "Sorry to you and your son."

I don't know what I was expecting, but her apologies only assuaged my anger to a minimal degree. The damage was done, and at the end of the day, that lady plucked a bit of my son's innocence. As I watched the couple ride the escalator up toward the entrance floor, it felt like an eternity. I watched how they both stared straight ahead without talking, probably afraid that I was right behind them. By the time they reached the top, I was already with my family.

To be honest, it wasn't my proudest moment. I wish I didn't put the husband in such an uncomfortable position nor did I have to raise my voice in such a way to rally the attention of Best Buy customers. Most importantly, I wish my son didn't have to see his dad reciprocate a lady's anger with more anger. But I learned something that day too.

I care for my son deeply. So much that I'll do anything to protect him from the unwarranted wrath of an Upper East Side lady at a busy Best Buy. Even more, I love him so much that I've begun teaching him the difference between being rude and being a little too playful. Hopefully, dragon lady learns that one day. One thing I know she learned-you don't mess with dad.

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Re: You Don't Mess With Dad

Of course, you were not to know that the "dragon" lady has a history of bad legs and your son assaulting her caused a great deal of pain. Naturally, you were thinking only of yourself anf your poor little boy. Did you give a moment's thought to the lady and her feelings? I guess not.

Re: You Don't Mess With Dad

Maybe the lady over-reacted, since I wasn't there I can't say. But you say that you saw the whole incident yet chose to do nothing about it. Why didn't you apologise to the lady right away for what your son did and then tell him that what he did was wrong? That would probably have been the end of the matter.

Have to agree....

...with the last two posters. This shouldn't be your proudest moment, as you mentioned. You were both in the wrong. You admitted that you had already seen your son "playing tag" with other shoppers, which was the point you could have averted this entire mess. I agree with the poster who said "normal 3-year-old behavior" is much more easily tolerated by other adults who at least see that you are making some attempt to teach your child "normal human interaction", which includes not hitting others who aren't into playing with you. You got the closest to a proud moment when you yourself told your boy that not everyone likes to play tag.... you could have told him sooner before the Dragon Lady was emboldened to do it herself -- in an inappropriate manner, as she did.

Another Opinion

Although the lady was rude herself and there was no need for her to be so awful, she had a very good point, one that I think is lost on a lot of parents these days. I work in a library, and I'm shocked by how many parents don't seem to notice or care when their children are pulling books off the shelves and dropping them on the floor, running inside, etc. And I've even seen some parents get offended when librarians ask the children to stop. I've seen parents pleading with their children to "please be good" and the 3 or 4 year old responds by hitting the parent in the face. We're just not doing a good enough job of teaching our children about respect and restraint. There's a time and a place for "normal three year old behavior" On the playground, wrestling around with dad in the backyard, playing tag on a soccer field... Best Buy is not one of those places. Nobody's child should be running up to strangers in any public place and pushing them. Defending this as "just being a normal three year old" is enabling the problem and teaching kids that they don't have boundaries. True, it sounds like this lady was a bit of a witch, and I think that's sad because otherwise she would have been making a good point. And she should have directed her comments to you, not your child. But you should be careful about defending what you see as normal three year old behavior - because while that may very well be the case, in 13 years you could be dealing with "normal sixteen year old behavior" that includes drinking and driving. It's a parent's job to teach their kids what parts of their "normal" behavior are ok and what parts aren't.

People in glass elevators...

I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER get mad at someone else's misbehaving child (or dog). It's not their fault. As per the oompa loompas:

Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do
I have another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-da-dee
If you are wise, you'll listen to me
Who do you blame when your kid is a brat?
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat
Blaming the kids is a lie and a shame
You know exactly who's to blame

The mother and the father

Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-da
If you're not spoiled, then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do

Of course 3-years' old is the tipping point for spoiling: I don't think you can really spoil a newborn/toddler ;-) She should've taken up your child's behavior with YOU, giving you a chance to explain it to your son giving him a golden opportunity to learn to apologize.

I also agree with a previous poster that she should've been made/asked to get down on his level and apologize to your son -- he was the one that was affronted.

I'm an uncle with a niece

I'm an uncle with a neice and a nephew -- aged 5 and 4 now...damn, I remember back when I had to heat their bottles...

Anyway, I've been in vaguely similar situations (no confrontations though) having had to manage two kids for my sister while she took care of something boring (returns or whatever). I agree with Trula that lack of at least a verbal reprimand can be interpreted as condoning the behavior by passersby. I also agree with the Dragon Lady - what if she had been some creepy old lady who was all about kidnapping children and forcing them to spend the rest of their days listening about her dead cats?

In the end, I think that we've got two people in the wrong here. You should have done a little something to restrain your son, though I can understand why that can be hard. The way I do it with the neice and nephew is that there is a strictly imposed radius they have to stay within (its usually about 1.5 armlengths). They manage not to get bored because I'm a pretty heavy wanderer when I shop. The point is not to be a nazi about it, loosen up, but impress upon them that its important both for their safety and for reasons like this story. It also, at the same time, gives them freedom to wander (and the radius gets bigger as they get older) and play with things as children will want to do, and yes, get hurt or stuck or those other random things that children get themselves into. I believe those experiences are important for kids too.

On the other hand, she was still being a total bitch. If your son was a teenager, sure, its appropriate to say something to him (perhaps even in the tone she used). But berrating a 3 year old just comes off as angry old stranger yelling, I should cry now. She should've said something to you...she wouldn't even necessarily had to have been all that nice about it. Just said, "Hey, I'd appreciate it if your son would leave me alone."

Great story. Way to stand up

Great story. Way to stand up for your boy and your dignity. It is a father's prerogative to do so in a civil and assertive manner.

I once had the opportunity to physically confront a neighbor who was beating his wife and son. They were screaming for me to help and I was the only one around. The guy punched me full force in the face and knocked off my glasses but the adrenaline was pumping so hard I didn't even feel it. I actually thought he missed me at the time... until I saw the welt on my cheekbone later.

I stood between him and his family. When he realized I wasn't going to cry like a woman or run in fear like a child his posture changed. He realized I would fight back. Finally another neighbor came out and we wrestled him to the ground and held him down until the police arrived.

In that moment I felt as alive as I had ever felt. My young daughter was playing at another neighbor's house and came out to see what the commotion was. I was proud to tell her that daddy had kept a bad man from hurting people and the police were taking him away. I can't tell you the way she looked at me. Believe me, I'm not a fighter; I would never pick a fight with anyone. But I realized in that moment, that if the situation merits it, I would be eager to fight again in defense of my own family or someone else's if need be.

Take that!

Nice one, Mr. Kim.

Usually I'd just fume silently at rudeness/signs of aggression, but since becoming a father last year I've found myself becoming a lot less backward at coming forward...that protective instinct just kicks in I guess.

Now...any advice when it comes to receiving (i.e. turning down) parenting advice from strangers in public places? I've tried suffering silently, but am really interested if any dads out there have any suggestions for a withering put-down that mixes equal parts "mind your own business" and "shut the hell up" with two parts "who the heck do you think you are giving me advice when your own kid just took out the cereal display".

Next time shop at Circuit City...much friendlier clientele!!

It is amazing how we go into a completely different mode when it comes to the safety of our kids.

I remember about 4 years ago, my now 13 yr. old step-son was shopping at a grocery store. We were at one end of the candy aisle and he asked if he could go and pick something out. When he got back he said that a man asked him if he could buy him that candy.

I remember that I saw nothing but "red". I asked my step-son if he had heard correctly and after he confirmed that the man said that. I took him and we went to find him to confront him.

I met up with him in line as he was ready to pay for some stuff. I asked him why he felt it was OK to ask a 9yr old if he could buy him some candy. His response, he was just kidding and said that he made a joke. I told him I did not think it was amusing and that he was very close to having to speak with the police regarding his "joke."

Moral is, a dad, whether its by blood or not, is a protector first and foremost. It is in our bloodlines. We would go to the ends of the earth to protect what is ours and what you did with that lady is just proof that we are all wired the same.

Great job of making her apologize. It makes your son understand that she was wrong and that apologizing is the right thing to do.

Role model.

Don't want to be cheesy but this made me think of the Lion King... when Simba wasn't supposed to go to the 'elephant graveyard', but he did so anyways – and why shouldn't he? He's just a young cub. But while he's there he gets attacked by hungry hyenas. And then suddenly, Mufasa (Simba's dad) makes a surprise appearance and protects his son by kicking the hyenas' butts.

In short, you did great. One day, your son will remember how tough you are and protect his own future pride (err, family).

Nice Job

I would say the only thing I would have done was made the lady apologize to your son. You did a great job keeping your cool while dealing with them. I look forward to being as protective of my soon to be twin boys.

I feel bad for people who

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I feel bad for people who are married to jerks like that. Way to go!

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I commend you for what you

I commend you for what you did. I would have totally gone off at the lady if she did that to my son. I think I would have been yelling at her more loudly than you did that day. She should have said something to you instead of yelling at Jaden. It's not his fault that he acted that way.

Good job

I would have let her have it right off, of course my restraint is not that great. Good For you!

I know the feeling

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It's amazing how confrontational people wither when you stand up to them. Good for you. Be careful about blocking their path though, or threatening to follow them. That'll get you a false imprisonment charge or a restraining order. It's tough to keep your head when someone mouths off to your kid.

well done

Stories like this make me really glad I live in "familyland" down in NC and not in a big city. Incidents like this are extremely rare here in my neck of the woods.

I think you handled the situation very well, although maybe a bit less drama would've been called for. Might not be too early to talk to your son about "personal space"? And next time, let your wife handle the kid while you're doing the "serious" shopping. :-)

Have to disagree

Not your proudest moment... I disagree! You should be very proud of yourself, for the HUGE amount of restraint you exhibited. You are a parent and it is absolutely your job to be the grown up and let your child hold onto his innocence for as long as he could. I am a mother, and if anyone had ever spoken to my children like that, managing an apology would have been the least of their concerns. You are just a good and protective father. Sorry that you had to run into one of the awful people.

That was intense! I would

That was intense! I would have been very upset too. I would have been too scared to follow her though! I hope your little boy is ok. Although this woman was very mean and very rude, she is right that your son should not be hitting/pushing/even touching strangers. Wee ones do this though, but it helps if the people they are bothering hear you, the parent, tell them to stop. When this doesn't happen it seems like you condone and encourage this behavior. She should have said something to you though, not your son.

Rude people

You handled it much better than I would have! She probably would have found a GPS up her ass, if my wife would have been there. And, she would have deserved it.

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